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1 -**First meeting 20.02.2025**
2 -[[Brainstorming document>>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S7DN9xc_zbogT9byt44xSCm0hpBDPFNy5b20U5a2HU8/edit?tab=t.0]]
1 +== **2nd Workshop on Sustainability in the Digital Transformation of Basic Research on Universe & Matter (2025)** ==
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4 -[[Slides>>attach:Program Planning Meeting, Feb 19.pdf]]
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6 +
7 +=== **What happened so far: ** ===
8 +
9 +* 2023: In-person Workshop:[[ https:~~/~~/indico.desy.de/event/37480/>>url:https://indico.desy.de/event/37480/]]
10 +* 2024: Follow up paper and online meetings
11 +** Publication:[[ https:~~/~~/arxiv.org/abs/2311.01169>>url:https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.01169]]  Last sustainability workshop paper: [[https:~~/~~/doi.org/10.1140/epjs/s11734-024-01436-4>>url:https://doi.org/10.1140/epjs/s11734-024-01436-4]]
12 +** Online Discussion:[[ https:~~/~~/indico.desy.de/event/44490/>>url:https://indico.desy.de/event/44490/]]
13 +** Online Discussion:[[ https:~~/~~/indico.desy.de/event/45927/>>url:https://indico.desy.de/event/45927/]]
14 +* **2025: In-person Workshop: [[https:~~/~~/indico.desy.de/event/47133/>>url:https://indico.desy.de/event/47133/]] **
15 +** **28 July - 1 August 2024**
16 +** **(Erholungsgesellschaft) Aachen**
17 +
18 +=== **Meeting documentation: ** ===
19 +
20 +**First Meeting with the Program Committee 19.02.2025**
21 +Participation: Jan Bürger, Markus Demleitner, Günter Duckeck, Martin Erdmann, Benjamin Fischer, Martin Gasthuber, Thomas Kuhr, Judith Reindl, Markus Schumacher, Judith Steinfeld, Dwayne Spiteri, Achim Streit, Angela Warkentin, Sebastian Wozniewski
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23 +* [[Brainstorming document>>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S7DN9xc_zbogT9byt44xSCm0hpBDPFNy5b20U5a2HU8/edit?tab=t.0]]
24 +* [[Slides>>attach:Program Planning Meeting, Feb 19.pdf]]
25 +* [[attach:preparation-slides.pdf||target="_blank"]]
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29 +**Second Meeting with the Program Committee 11.03.2025**
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31 +* Tuesday, March 11 from 4 - 5:30 pm: [[https:~~/~~/rwth.zoom-x.de/j/65088391540>>https://rwth.zoom-x.de/j/65088391540]]
32 +* Discussion & Results: [[attach:2nd Program Planning March 11.pdf||target="_blank"]]
33 +* Participation: Jan Bürger, Markus Demleitner, Martin Erdmann, Benjamin Fischer, Martin Gasthuber, Simran Guardasani, Thomas Kuhr, Markus Schumacher, Dwayne Spiteri, Angela Warkentin, Sebastian Wozniewski
34 +* Follow-up note from Dwayne: There was one point I think is missing from the slides for your discussions with the other organisers, if we are going to try and create a single timetable with these semi-dissimilar topics, we do need a bridge session to add some continuity, something about the ethics of sustainability. It doesn't have to be too long, but I think it needs to be there if the conference is to have a sense of coherence.
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40 +
41 +== **Discussion Basis for Second Meeting with the Program Committee 11.03.2025** ==
42 +
43 +**Results: **[[attach:2nd Program Planning March 11.pdf||target="_blank"]]
44 +
45 +=== **1. Regarding Goals ** ===
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49 +**Goals**
50 +
51 +**(Up to discussion on March, 11) **
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55 +Author / Contact (optional)
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57 +|(% colspan="1" rowspan="2" style="width:268px" %)**Definition**|(% style="width:1019px" %)What exactly is meant by “sustainability”|Achim S., Judith R.
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59 +|(% colspan="1" rowspan="2" style="width:268px" %)**Track Progress / Review**|(% style="width:1019px" %)What is the concrete progress since the last workshop, what worked, what not.|Thomas K, Judith R.
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62 +**Ideas / Ansätze**
63 +)))|(% style="width:1019px" %)Based on input from referees I think one topic is whether we should collect data to effectively represent progress|
64 +|(% style="width:1019px" %)What new ansatzes (//approaches//) exist, what should we try|Achim S.
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67 +|(% colspan="1" rowspan="5" style="width:268px" %)**Concrete Recommendation for Action & Outlook **|(% style="width:1019px" %)(((
68 +Konkrete Empfehlungen ans BMBF bzw. Projekte als einige white papers.
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70 +(//Concrete recommendations to the BMBF and projects in the form of white papers//)
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73 +Formation of focus groups for the implementation of identified guidelines from multiple projects, beyond the workshop (e.g. Connect Workshop 2024)
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76 +Prüfsteine für einen dritten Workshop, der die Umsetzung der Fokusgruppen überprüfen kann.
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78 +//Criteria for a third workshop that can assess the implementation of the focus groups.//
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80 +|(% style="width:1019px" %)A paper detailing how to combat the practicalities of tackling sustainability issues (in Germany)|
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84 +
85 +==== **Goals: ** ====
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87 +* Focus is on implementation: Last workshop was impulse, this should enable implementation by developing concrete action points.
88 +* Do we need a paper? How can the results be optimally prepared?
89 +* At the end, concrete measures should emerge and be recorded (e.g. white paper, without publication, but with the aim of disseminating the measures widely)
90 +* Concrete assignments: To present at DPG, concrete “tasks” with responsible persons (to be reported, e.g. to Overview Board or next year in the workshop)
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95 +
96 +=== **2. Regarding Contents ** ===
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99 +**Possible Focus: “Framework conditions for future research in ErUM in view of ultra-fast AI developments and the urgent need for sustainability in the area of digital transformation”**
100 +
101 +* **Title of the Workshop: Currrently "**[[2nd Workshop on Sustainability in the Digital Transformation of Basic Research on Universe & Matter>>url:https://indico.desy.de/event/47133/]]"
102 +* Sustainability: The topic of sustainability has been initiated by the first workshop/paper; we can already hear about ongoing research projects and draw further consequences for progress.
103 +* Ethics: The topic of ethics deals with AI developments and their significance for ErUM researchers. The aim here is to compile concrete AI developments and to identify probable development possibilities.
104 +** How will it be possible to realize predominantly human-performed research activities with the support of AI tools in the future?
105 +** Can we formulate a range for this?
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110 +**Topics  **
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112 +**(Up to discussion on March, 11) **
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114 +**What do we want to cover in terms of content? **
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116 +(//**Subgroups 2023:** Footprint, Dynamic Energy Supply, Hardware Lifetime, Hardware & Algorithms, Smart Data, Cultural Change, Autonomization, Inquiries & Dynamics, Algorithms & Software, Machine Models, Injected Intelligence, Workflows & Stakeholders//)
117 +)))|(% style="width:222px" %)Author / Contact (optional)
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119 +CO2 /
120 +
121 +Footprint with regards to hardware
122 +)))|(% style="width:1011px" %)How to handle CO2-budget of the production of the hardware (+1)|(% style="width:222px" %)Achim Stahl, support by Markus Sch (may contact Öko Institut e.V.)
123 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)Ethical implications of Life Cycle analysis (where machines are made - where they end up)|(% style="width:222px" %)
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125 +Operation of Data Centres /
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127 +Use of Energy
128 +)))|(% style="width:1011px" %)Sustainable operation of compute and data centres |(% style="width:222px" %)Markus Sch.
129 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)How can we integrate datacentres/experiments with their environments|(% style="width:222px" %)
130 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)What metrics are we use to decide how clean energy is/ optimal time for greenest use of energy|(% style="width:222px" %)
131 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)Von Stromerzeugenden und Netzbetreibern Input bekommen, was wir eigentlich tun sollen. BnetzAgentur beiholen?|(% style="width:222px" %)(Raum1)
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133 +Sustainable Programming & Implications / User
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136 +)))|(% style="width:1011px" %)Sustainable programming is a topic frequently requested by the community. How can we drive this forward? |(% style="width:222px" %)Angela Warkentin
137 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)Ethical question: if software gets more efficient by factor n will then e.g. simualtion run factor n more or will stop after initial goal reached?    |(% style="width:222px" %)Markus Schh.
138 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)Wie managen mir die Wirkungen auf die Nutzenden, so dass diese mitgehen?  Wie können wir für diese Motivation schaffen?|(% style="width:222px" %)(Raum 1)
139 +|(% rowspan="4" %)Motivation & Ethics |(% style="width:1011px" %)Wie managen mir die Wirkungen auf die Nutzenden, so dass diese mitgehen?  Wie können wir für diese Motivation schaffen?|(% style="width:222px" %)
140 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)Introductions to Ethics and/in Sustainability|(% style="width:222px" %)
141 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)UN sustainability points and the impact to physics|(% style="width:222px" %)
142 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)Sustainability Communication: how to spread motivation among scientists |(% style="width:222px" %)
143 +|(% rowspan="5" %)Politics & Stakeholder|(% style="width:1011px" %)Mit BMBF-Leuten darüber reden, wie wir unsere Erkenntnisse umgesetzt bekommen|(% style="width:222px" %)(Raum 1)
144 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)Allgemeiner: Leitlinien für konkretes Handeln mit den Stakeholdern ausarbeiten.|(% style="width:222px" %)(Raum 1)
145 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)Umgang mit politischen Zwängen (“wir gehen nicht nach Polen, weil deren Strom so dreckig ist” bzw. die Zurückweisung so einer Erwägung aus politischen Gründen)? (Or: If we fund it here we also want to run it here and not in Norway, Iceland ,... )|(% style="width:222px" %)
146 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)Political barriers to sustainability (local laws/regulations)|(% style="width:222px" %)
147 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)What does the BMBF expect? (Invite BMBF representative) |(% style="width:222px" %)
148 +|(% rowspan="4" %)Teaching & Science |(% style="width:1011px" %)In view of abilities of Humans versus Machines (see table below): how will ErUM science change in future|(% style="width:222px" %)Martin E.
149 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)Knowledge transfer, education, what concepts will stay to be important, what will be new|(% style="width:222px" %)Judith Reindl, Martin E.
150 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)Wie managen mir die Wirkungen auf die Nutzenden, so dass diese mitgehen?  Wie können wir für diese Motivation schaffen?|(% style="width:222px" %)
151 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)Sustainability Communication: how to spread motivation among scientists |(% style="width:222px" %)
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156 +
157 +=== **3. Regarding Timetable ** ===
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160 +* What should the program consist of?
161 +* Should we open the workshop for contributions (abstracts) or only include invited talks?
162 +
163 +**Ideas so far: **
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165 +* Talks, discussion and interactive parts
166 +** Interactive part: tutorial on sustainable programming
167 +* Inspiration talks for fostering our creativity, followed by the possibility to discuss and exchange. Results of the discussion could then be presented in short talks
168 +* Talks in the morning,** paper-writing sessions in the afternoon.**
169 +** Different sessions have different sections to work on in Overleaf
170 +** Paper writing / Results: One moderator per session, who is also responsible for detailed documentation
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175 +=== ===
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177 +=== **4. Regarding Invitations / Speaker** ===
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179 +
180 +* ** **Find & Invite Experts from Organisations (CERN, DESY, BMBF): Anwendungsorientierte (application-oriented) Talks
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185 +**Topics **
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188 +)))|(% style="width:222px" %)Author / Contact (optional)
189 +|(% colspan="1" rowspan="3" %)**General **|(% style="width:1011px" %)International sustainability projects in science (WLCG, EU, …)|(% style="width:222px" %)
190 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)Overview of ideas in SUSFECIT research network (proposal handed in 2024 ErumM Data call)|(% style="width:222px" %)Markus Schumacher
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192 +|(% colspan="1" rowspan="3" %)**Tracking Progress **|(% style="width:1011px" %)(((
193 +Paper presentation: "Quantifying imperfect cognition with realized information gain"
194 +)))|(% style="width:222px" %)Torsten Ensslin (Confirmed Participation)
195 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)Know your footprint: status and next steps |(% style="width:222px" %)KYF authors
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198 +**CO2 /**
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200 +**Footprint with regards to hardware **
201 +)))|(% style="width:1011px" %)Full life cycle assessment of c02 footprint  (production, cooling water, disposal)  |(% style="width:222px" %)could ask Öko-Institut e.V (Markus Sch,) or Matthias Wadenstein, WLCG
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204 +**Operation of Data Centres /**
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206 +**Use of Energy**
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208 +Ecology: How computing centres fit into the local surroundings
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210 +* Re-using waste heat to provide heat for farming: vegetables
211 +* Novel power sources for datacentres, building datacentres where power is being generated
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213 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)Sustainability implementation at major research  facilities e.g. CERN, DESY (e.g. Serge Claudet, Cern energy management panel)|(% style="width:222px" %)Guenter Duckeck
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216 +**Sustainable Programming & Implications / User **
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221 +|(% rowspan="4" %)**Motivation & Ethics **|(% style="width:1011px" %)(((
222 +"Warum föderierte, standardsbasierte Infrastrukturen ethische Implikationen haben, sowohl was Vermeidung von Lock-in und ständiger Obszoleszenz betrifft als auch, was gleichen Zugang für alle, von Server- wie von Clientseite aus, angeht. (Abdeckung z.B. durch Markus Demleitner im Rahmen eines 10 Min Frühstückgesprächs möglich)"
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224 +Why federated, standards-based infrastructures have ethical implications, both in terms of avoiding lock-in and constant obsolescence, as well as ensuring equal access for all, from both the server and client side. (Coverage, e.g., by Markus Demleitner in the context of a 10-minute breakfast discussion, is possible)
225 +)))|(% style="width:222px" %)Markus Demleitner
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227 +* RWTH Aachen AI Center Ethik Kommission: [[https:~~/~~/www.ai.rwth-aachen.de/cms/KI/Das-KI-Center/~~~~gglha/Team/>>url:https://www.ai.rwth-aachen.de/cms/KI/Das-KI-Center/~~gglha/Team/]] 
228 +** [[Prof. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dr. ir. Wil van der Aalst>>url:https://www.pads.rwth-aachen.de/cms/pads/der-lehrstuhl/team/professor/~~pxtb/wil-van-der-aalst/]]: Fairness und Privacy
229 +** [[Prof. Dr. Saskia Nagel>>url:https://www.ethics.rwth-aachen.de/cms/ETHICS/Das-Lehr-und-Forschungsgebiet/Team/~~fcnwz/Saskia-Nagel/]] Ethics of AI, Impact of AI on Individuals and Society
230 +** [[Prof. Dr. rer. pol. Frank Piller>>url:https://www.time.rwth-aachen.de/cms/TIME/Die-Research-Area/Technologie-und-Innovationsmanagement-/TIM-Team/Lehrstuhlinhaber/~~eebc/Piller-Frank-T/]] Social Effects and Acceptance of AI
231 +** [[Prof. Dr. rer. nat. Astrid Rosenthal-von der Pütten>>url:https://www.itec.rwth-aachen.de/cms/ITEC/Der-Lehrstuhl/Team/~~szbg/Rosenthal-von-der-Puetten-Astrid/]] Human-Agent Interaction · Human and AI Shared Decision Making · Human-Robot Interaction · Social Effects and Acceptance of AI
232 +** [[Prof. Dr. Claudia Wagner>>url:http://claudiawagner.info/]] Natural Language processing · Network Science · Computational Social Science · Fairness of AI
233 +* Benediktiner Pater Christoph Gerhard (Sustainability and ethics)
234 +* Johannes Hartel (Sustainability and ethics)
235 +* “Lesch sieht Schwartz” (zdf Harald Lesch und Pfarrer Thomas Schwartz)
236 +* Prof. Dr. Dr. Wolfgang Rhode
237 +)))|(% style="width:222px" %)Jan Bürger
238 +|(% style="width:1011px" %)Invite someone from the Deutscher Ethikrat talking about assessment of technologies in the domain of “AI++”|(% style="width:222px" %)Achim Streit, Martin Erdmann, Thomas Kuhr, Judith Reindl
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240 +|(% rowspan="2" %)**Politics & Stakeholder / Implementation **|(% style="width:1011px" %) |(% style="width:222px" %)
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242 +|(% rowspan="2" %)**Teaching & Science **|(% style="width:1011px" %) |(% style="width:222px" %)
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248 +Consider:
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250 +| |Distinctive Human Skills|How GenAI can supplement learning processes⁺
251 +|Create|Engage in both creative and cognitive processes that leverage human lived experiences, social-emotional interactions, intuition, reflection, and judgment to formulate original solutions.|Support brainstorming processes; suggest a range of alternatives; enumerate potential drawbacks and advantages; describe successful real-world cases; create a tangible deliverable based on human inputs
252 +|Evaluate|Engage in metacognitive reflection; holistically appraise ethical consequences of alternative courses of action; identify significance or situate within a full historical or disciplinary context|Identify pros and cons of various courses of action; develop and check against evaluation rubrics
253 +|Analyze|Critically think and reason within the cognitive and affective domains; justify analysis in depth and with clarity|Compare and contrast data, infer trends and themes in a narrowly-defined context; compute; predict; interpret and relate to real-world problems, decisions, and choices
254 +|Apply|Operate, implement, conduct, execute, experiment, and test in the real world; apply human creativity and imagination to idea and solution development|Make use of a process, model, or method to solve a quantitative or qualitative inquiry; assist students in determining where they went wrong while solving a problem
255 +|Understand|Contextualize answers within emotional, moral, or ethical considerations; select relevant information; explain significance|Accurately describe a concept in different words; recognize a related example; translate to another language
256 +|Remember|Recall information in situations where technology is not readily accessible|Retrieve factual information; list possible answers; define a term; construct a basic chronology or timeline
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