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1 -== **2nd Workshop on Sustainability in the Digital Transformation of Basic Research on Universe & Matter (2025)** ==
1 +**First meeting 20.02.2025**
2 +[[Brainstorming document>>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S7DN9xc_zbogT9byt44xSCm0hpBDPFNy5b20U5a2HU8/edit?tab=t.0]]
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4 +[[Slides>>attach:Program Planning Meeting, Feb 19.pdf]]
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7 -=== **What happened so far: ** ===
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9 -* 2023: In-person Workshop:[[ https:~~/~~/indico.desy.de/event/37480/>>url:https://indico.desy.de/event/37480/]]
10 -* 2024: Follow up paper and online meetings
11 -** Publication:[[ https:~~/~~/arxiv.org/abs/2311.01169>>url:https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.01169]]  Last sustainability workshop paper: [[https:~~/~~/doi.org/10.1140/epjs/s11734-024-01436-4>>url:https://doi.org/10.1140/epjs/s11734-024-01436-4]]
12 -** Online Discussion:[[ https:~~/~~/indico.desy.de/event/44490/>>url:https://indico.desy.de/event/44490/]]
13 -** Online Discussion:[[ https:~~/~~/indico.desy.de/event/45927/>>url:https://indico.desy.de/event/45927/]]
14 -* **2025: In-person Workshop: [[https:~~/~~/indico.desy.de/event/47133/>>url:https://indico.desy.de/event/47133/]] **
15 -** **28 July - 1 August 2024**
16 -** **(Erholungsgesellschaft) Aachen**
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18 -=== **Meeting documentation: ** ===
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20 -**First Meeting with the Program Committee 19.02.2025**
21 -Participation: Jan Bürger, Markus Demleitner, Günter Duckeck, Martin Erdmann, Benjamin Fischer, Martin Gasthuber, Thomas Kuhr, Judith Reindl, Markus Schumacher, Judith Steinfeld, Dwayne Spiteri, Achim Streit, Angela Warkentin, Sebastian Wozniewski
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23 -* [[Brainstorming document>>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S7DN9xc_zbogT9byt44xSCm0hpBDPFNy5b20U5a2HU8/edit?tab=t.0]]
24 -* [[Slides>>attach:Program Planning Meeting, Feb 19.pdf]]
25 -* [[attach:preparation-slides.pdf||target="_blank"]]
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29 -**Second Meeting with the Program Committee 11.03.2025**
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31 -* Tuesday, March 11 from 4 - 5:30 pm: [[https:~~/~~/rwth.zoom-x.de/j/65088391540>>https://rwth.zoom-x.de/j/65088391540]]
32 -* Discussion & Results: [[attach:2nd Program Planning March 11.pdf||target="_blank"]]
33 -* Participation: Jan Bürger, Markus Demleitner, Martin Erdmann, Benjamin Fischer, Martin Gasthuber, Simran Guardasani, Thomas Kuhr, Markus Schumacher, Dwayne Spiteri, Angela Warkentin, Sebastian Wozniewski
34 -* Follow-up note from Dwayne: There was one point I think is missing from the slides for your discussions with the other organisers, if we are going to try and create a single timetable with these semi-dissimilar topics, we do need a bridge session to add some continuity, something about the ethics of sustainability. It doesn't have to be too long, but I think it needs to be there if the conference is to have a sense of coherence.
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38 -**Third Meeting with the Program Committee 10.04.2025**
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40 -* Tuesday, March 11 from 4 - 5:30 pm: [[https:~~/~~/rwth.zoom-x.de/j/65088391540>>https://rwth.zoom-x.de/j/65088391540]]
41 -* Discussion & Results: [[attach:2nd Program Planning March 11.pdf||target="_blank"]]
42 -* Participation: Jan Bürger, Markus Demleitner, Martin Erdmann, Benjamin Fischer, Martin Gasthuber, Simran Guardasani, Thomas Kuhr, Markus Schumacher, Dwayne Spiteri, Angela Warkentin, Sebastian Wozniewski
43 -* Follow-up note from Dwayne: There was one point I think is missing from the slides for your discussions with the other organisers, if we are going to try and create a single timetable with these semi-dissimilar topics, we do need a bridge session to add some continuity, something about the ethics of sustainability. It doesn't have to be too long, but I think it needs to be there if the conference is to have a sense of coherence.
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50 -== **Discussion Basis for Second Meeting with the Program Committee 11.03.2025** ==
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52 -**Results: **[[attach:2nd Program Planning March 11.pdf||target="_blank"]]
53 -
54 -=== **1. Regarding Goals ** ===
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58 -**Goals**
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60 -**(Up to discussion on March, 11) **
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64 -Author / Contact (optional)
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66 -|(% colspan="1" rowspan="2" style="width:268px" %)**Definition**|(% style="width:1019px" %)What exactly is meant by “sustainability”|Achim S., Judith R.
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68 -|(% colspan="1" rowspan="2" style="width:268px" %)**Track Progress / Review**|(% style="width:1019px" %)What is the concrete progress since the last workshop, what worked, what not.|Thomas K, Judith R.
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71 -**Ideas / Ansätze**
72 -)))|(% style="width:1019px" %)Based on input from referees I think one topic is whether we should collect data to effectively represent progress|
73 -|(% style="width:1019px" %)What new ansatzes (//approaches//) exist, what should we try|Achim S.
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76 -|(% colspan="1" rowspan="5" style="width:268px" %)**Concrete Recommendation for Action & Outlook **|(% style="width:1019px" %)(((
77 -Konkrete Empfehlungen ans BMBF bzw. Projekte als einige white papers.
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79 -(//Concrete recommendations to the BMBF and projects in the form of white papers//)
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82 -Formation of focus groups for the implementation of identified guidelines from multiple projects, beyond the workshop (e.g. Connect Workshop 2024)
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85 -Prüfsteine für einen dritten Workshop, der die Umsetzung der Fokusgruppen überprüfen kann.
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87 -//Criteria for a third workshop that can assess the implementation of the focus groups.//
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89 -|(% style="width:1019px" %)A paper detailing how to combat the practicalities of tackling sustainability issues (in Germany)|
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94 -==== **Goals: ** ====
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96 -* Focus is on implementation: Last workshop was impulse, this should enable implementation by developing concrete action points.
97 -* Do we need a paper? How can the results be optimally prepared?
98 -* At the end, concrete measures should emerge and be recorded (e.g. white paper, without publication, but with the aim of disseminating the measures widely)
99 -* Concrete assignments: To present at DPG, concrete “tasks” with responsible persons (to be reported, e.g. to Overview Board or next year in the workshop)
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105 -=== **2. Regarding Contents ** ===
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108 -**Possible Focus: “Framework conditions for future research in ErUM in view of ultra-fast AI developments and the urgent need for sustainability in the area of digital transformation”**
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110 -* **Title of the Workshop: Currrently "**[[2nd Workshop on Sustainability in the Digital Transformation of Basic Research on Universe & Matter>>url:https://indico.desy.de/event/47133/]]"
111 -* Sustainability: The topic of sustainability has been initiated by the first workshop/paper; we can already hear about ongoing research projects and draw further consequences for progress.
112 -* Ethics: The topic of ethics deals with AI developments and their significance for ErUM researchers. The aim here is to compile concrete AI developments and to identify probable development possibilities.
113 -** How will it be possible to realize predominantly human-performed research activities with the support of AI tools in the future?
114 -** Can we formulate a range for this?
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119 -**Topics  **
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121 -**(Up to discussion on March, 11) **
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123 -**What do we want to cover in terms of content? **
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125 -(//**Subgroups 2023:** Footprint, Dynamic Energy Supply, Hardware Lifetime, Hardware & Algorithms, Smart Data, Cultural Change, Autonomization, Inquiries & Dynamics, Algorithms & Software, Machine Models, Injected Intelligence, Workflows & Stakeholders//)
126 -)))|(% style="width:222px" %)Author / Contact (optional)
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128 -CO2 /
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130 -Footprint with regards to hardware
131 -)))|(% style="width:1011px" %)How to handle CO2-budget of the production of the hardware (+1)|(% style="width:222px" %)Achim Stahl, support by Markus Sch (may contact Öko Institut e.V.)
132 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Ethical implications of Life Cycle analysis (where machines are made - where they end up)|(% style="width:222px" %)
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134 -Operation of Data Centres /
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136 -Use of Energy
137 -)))|(% style="width:1011px" %)Sustainable operation of compute and data centres |(% style="width:222px" %)Markus Sch.
138 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)How can we integrate datacentres/experiments with their environments|(% style="width:222px" %)
139 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)What metrics are we use to decide how clean energy is/ optimal time for greenest use of energy|(% style="width:222px" %)
140 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Von Stromerzeugenden und Netzbetreibern Input bekommen, was wir eigentlich tun sollen. BnetzAgentur beiholen?|(% style="width:222px" %)(Raum1)
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142 -Sustainable Programming & Implications / User
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145 -)))|(% style="width:1011px" %)Sustainable programming is a topic frequently requested by the community. How can we drive this forward? |(% style="width:222px" %)Angela Warkentin
146 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Ethical question: if software gets more efficient by factor n will then e.g. simualtion run factor n more or will stop after initial goal reached?    |(% style="width:222px" %)Markus Schh.
147 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Wie managen mir die Wirkungen auf die Nutzenden, so dass diese mitgehen?  Wie können wir für diese Motivation schaffen?|(% style="width:222px" %)(Raum 1)
148 -|(% rowspan="4" %)Motivation & Ethics |(% style="width:1011px" %)Wie managen mir die Wirkungen auf die Nutzenden, so dass diese mitgehen?  Wie können wir für diese Motivation schaffen?|(% style="width:222px" %)
149 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Introductions to Ethics and/in Sustainability|(% style="width:222px" %)
150 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)UN sustainability points and the impact to physics|(% style="width:222px" %)
151 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Sustainability Communication: how to spread motivation among scientists |(% style="width:222px" %)
152 -|(% rowspan="5" %)Politics & Stakeholder|(% style="width:1011px" %)Mit BMBF-Leuten darüber reden, wie wir unsere Erkenntnisse umgesetzt bekommen|(% style="width:222px" %)(Raum 1)
153 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Allgemeiner: Leitlinien für konkretes Handeln mit den Stakeholdern ausarbeiten.|(% style="width:222px" %)(Raum 1)
154 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Umgang mit politischen Zwängen (“wir gehen nicht nach Polen, weil deren Strom so dreckig ist” bzw. die Zurückweisung so einer Erwägung aus politischen Gründen)? (Or: If we fund it here we also want to run it here and not in Norway, Iceland ,... )|(% style="width:222px" %)
155 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Political barriers to sustainability (local laws/regulations)|(% style="width:222px" %)
156 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)What does the BMBF expect? (Invite BMBF representative) |(% style="width:222px" %)
157 -|(% rowspan="4" %)Teaching & Science |(% style="width:1011px" %)In view of abilities of Humans versus Machines (see table below): how will ErUM science change in future|(% style="width:222px" %)Martin E.
158 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Knowledge transfer, education, what concepts will stay to be important, what will be new|(% style="width:222px" %)Judith Reindl, Martin E.
159 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Wie managen mir die Wirkungen auf die Nutzenden, so dass diese mitgehen?  Wie können wir für diese Motivation schaffen?|(% style="width:222px" %)
160 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Sustainability Communication: how to spread motivation among scientists |(% style="width:222px" %)
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166 -=== **3. Regarding Timetable ** ===
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169 -* What should the program consist of?
170 -* Should we open the workshop for contributions (abstracts) or only include invited talks?
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172 -**Ideas so far: **
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174 -* Talks, discussion and interactive parts
175 -** Interactive part: tutorial on sustainable programming
176 -* Inspiration talks for fostering our creativity, followed by the possibility to discuss and exchange. Results of the discussion could then be presented in short talks
177 -* Talks in the morning,** paper-writing sessions in the afternoon.**
178 -** Different sessions have different sections to work on in Overleaf
179 -** Paper writing / Results: One moderator per session, who is also responsible for detailed documentation
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186 -=== **4. Regarding Invitations / Speaker** ===
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189 -* ** **Find & Invite Experts from Organisations (CERN, DESY, BMBF): Anwendungsorientierte (application-oriented) Talks
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197 -)))|(% style="width:222px" %)Author / Contact (optional)
198 -|(% colspan="1" rowspan="3" %)**General **|(% style="width:1011px" %)International sustainability projects in science (WLCG, EU, …)|(% style="width:222px" %)
199 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Overview of ideas in SUSFECIT research network (proposal handed in 2024 ErumM Data call)|(% style="width:222px" %)Markus Schumacher
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201 -|(% colspan="1" rowspan="3" %)**Tracking Progress **|(% style="width:1011px" %)(((
202 -Paper presentation: "Quantifying imperfect cognition with realized information gain"
203 -)))|(% style="width:222px" %)Torsten Ensslin (Confirmed Participation)
204 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Know your footprint: status and next steps |(% style="width:222px" %)KYF authors
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207 -**CO2 /**
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209 -**Footprint with regards to hardware **
210 -)))|(% style="width:1011px" %)Full life cycle assessment of c02 footprint  (production, cooling water, disposal)  |(% style="width:222px" %)could ask Öko-Institut e.V (Markus Sch,) or Matthias Wadenstein, WLCG
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213 -**Operation of Data Centres /**
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215 -**Use of Energy**
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217 -Ecology: How computing centres fit into the local surroundings
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219 -* Re-using waste heat to provide heat for farming: vegetables
220 -* Novel power sources for datacentres, building datacentres where power is being generated
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222 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Sustainability implementation at major research  facilities e.g. CERN, DESY (e.g. Serge Claudet, Cern energy management panel)|(% style="width:222px" %)Guenter Duckeck
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225 -**Sustainable Programming & Implications / User **
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230 -|(% rowspan="4" %)**Motivation & Ethics **|(% style="width:1011px" %)(((
231 -"Warum föderierte, standardsbasierte Infrastrukturen ethische Implikationen haben, sowohl was Vermeidung von Lock-in und ständiger Obszoleszenz betrifft als auch, was gleichen Zugang für alle, von Server- wie von Clientseite aus, angeht. (Abdeckung z.B. durch Markus Demleitner im Rahmen eines 10 Min Frühstückgesprächs möglich)"
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233 -Why federated, standards-based infrastructures have ethical implications, both in terms of avoiding lock-in and constant obsolescence, as well as ensuring equal access for all, from both the server and client side. (Coverage, e.g., by Markus Demleitner in the context of a 10-minute breakfast discussion, is possible)
234 -)))|(% style="width:222px" %)Markus Demleitner
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236 -* RWTH Aachen AI Center Ethik Kommission: [[https:~~/~~/www.ai.rwth-aachen.de/cms/KI/Das-KI-Center/~~~~gglha/Team/>>url:https://www.ai.rwth-aachen.de/cms/KI/Das-KI-Center/~~gglha/Team/]] 
237 -** [[Prof. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dr. ir. Wil van der Aalst>>url:https://www.pads.rwth-aachen.de/cms/pads/der-lehrstuhl/team/professor/~~pxtb/wil-van-der-aalst/]]: Fairness und Privacy
238 -** [[Prof. Dr. Saskia Nagel>>url:https://www.ethics.rwth-aachen.de/cms/ETHICS/Das-Lehr-und-Forschungsgebiet/Team/~~fcnwz/Saskia-Nagel/]] Ethics of AI, Impact of AI on Individuals and Society
239 -** [[Prof. Dr. rer. pol. Frank Piller>>url:https://www.time.rwth-aachen.de/cms/TIME/Die-Research-Area/Technologie-und-Innovationsmanagement-/TIM-Team/Lehrstuhlinhaber/~~eebc/Piller-Frank-T/]] Social Effects and Acceptance of AI
240 -** [[Prof. Dr. rer. nat. Astrid Rosenthal-von der Pütten>>url:https://www.itec.rwth-aachen.de/cms/ITEC/Der-Lehrstuhl/Team/~~szbg/Rosenthal-von-der-Puetten-Astrid/]] Human-Agent Interaction · Human and AI Shared Decision Making · Human-Robot Interaction · Social Effects and Acceptance of AI
241 -** [[Prof. Dr. Claudia Wagner>>url:http://claudiawagner.info/]] Natural Language processing · Network Science · Computational Social Science · Fairness of AI
242 -* Benediktiner Pater Christoph Gerhard (Sustainability and ethics)
243 -* Johannes Hartel (Sustainability and ethics)
244 -* “Lesch sieht Schwartz” (zdf Harald Lesch und Pfarrer Thomas Schwartz)
245 -* Prof. Dr. Dr. Wolfgang Rhode
246 -)))|(% style="width:222px" %)Jan Bürger
247 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Invite someone from the Deutscher Ethikrat talking about assessment of technologies in the domain of “AI++”|(% style="width:222px" %)Achim Streit, Martin Erdmann, Thomas Kuhr, Judith Reindl
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249 -|(% rowspan="2" %)**Politics & Stakeholder / Implementation **|(% style="width:1011px" %) |(% style="width:222px" %)
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251 -|(% rowspan="2" %)**Teaching & Science **|(% style="width:1011px" %) |(% style="width:222px" %)
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259 -| |Distinctive Human Skills|How GenAI can supplement learning processes⁺
260 -|Create|Engage in both creative and cognitive processes that leverage human lived experiences, social-emotional interactions, intuition, reflection, and judgment to formulate original solutions.|Support brainstorming processes; suggest a range of alternatives; enumerate potential drawbacks and advantages; describe successful real-world cases; create a tangible deliverable based on human inputs
261 -|Evaluate|Engage in metacognitive reflection; holistically appraise ethical consequences of alternative courses of action; identify significance or situate within a full historical or disciplinary context|Identify pros and cons of various courses of action; develop and check against evaluation rubrics
262 -|Analyze|Critically think and reason within the cognitive and affective domains; justify analysis in depth and with clarity|Compare and contrast data, infer trends and themes in a narrowly-defined context; compute; predict; interpret and relate to real-world problems, decisions, and choices
263 -|Apply|Operate, implement, conduct, execute, experiment, and test in the real world; apply human creativity and imagination to idea and solution development|Make use of a process, model, or method to solve a quantitative or qualitative inquiry; assist students in determining where they went wrong while solving a problem
264 -|Understand|Contextualize answers within emotional, moral, or ethical considerations; select relevant information; explain significance|Accurately describe a concept in different words; recognize a related example; translate to another language
265 -|Remember|Recall information in situations where technology is not readily accessible|Retrieve factual information; list possible answers; define a term; construct a basic chronology or timeline
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