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1 -== **2nd Workshop on Sustainability in the Digital Transformation of Basic Research on Universe & Matter (2025)** ==
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6 -=== **What happened so far: ** ===
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8 -* 2023: In-person Workshop:[[ https:~~/~~/indico.desy.de/event/37480/>>url:https://indico.desy.de/event/37480/]]
9 -* 2024: Follow up paper and online meetings
10 -** Publication:[[ https:~~/~~/arxiv.org/abs/2311.01169>>url:https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.01169]]  Last sustainability workshop paper: [[https:~~/~~/doi.org/10.1140/epjs/s11734-024-01436-4>>url:https://doi.org/10.1140/epjs/s11734-024-01436-4]]
11 -** Online Discussion:[[ https:~~/~~/indico.desy.de/event/44490/>>url:https://indico.desy.de/event/44490/]]
12 -** Online Discussion:[[ https:~~/~~/indico.desy.de/event/45927/>>url:https://indico.desy.de/event/45927/]]
13 -* **2025: In-person Workshop: [[https:~~/~~/indico.desy.de/event/47133/>>url:https://indico.desy.de/event/47133/]] **
14 -** **28 July - 1 August 2024**
15 -** **(Erholungsgesellschaft) Aachen**
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17 -=== **Meeting documentation: ** ===
18 -
19 -**First Meeting with the Program Committee 19.02.2025**
20 -Participation: Jan Bürger, Markus Demleitner, Günter Duckeck, Martin Erdmann, Benjamin Fischer, Martin Gasthuber, Thomas Kuhr, Judith Reindl, Markus Schumacher, Judith Steinfeld, Dwayne Spiteri, Achim Streit, Angela Warkentin, Sebastian Wozniewski
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22 -* [[Brainstorming document>>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S7DN9xc_zbogT9byt44xSCm0hpBDPFNy5b20U5a2HU8/edit?tab=t.0]]
23 -* [[Slides>>attach:Program Planning Meeting, Feb 19.pdf]]
24 -* [[attach:preparation-slides.pdf||target="_blank"]]
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28 -**Second Meeting with the Program Committee 11.03.2025**
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30 -* Tuesday, March 11 from 4 - 5:30 pm: [[https:~~/~~/rwth.zoom-x.de/j/65088391540>>https://rwth.zoom-x.de/j/65088391540]]
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36 -== **Second Meeting with the Program Committee 11.03.2025** ==
37 -
38 -=== **Regarding Goals ** ===
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42 -**Goals**
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44 -**(Up to discussion on March, 11) **
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48 -Author / Contact (optional)
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50 -|(% style="width:268px" %)**Definition**|(% style="width:1019px" %)What exactly is meant by “sustainability”|Achim S., Judith R.
51 -|(% style="width:268px" %)**Track Progress / Review**|(% style="width:1019px" %)What is the concrete progress since the last workshop, what worked, what not.|Thomas K, Judith R.
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53 -**Verbindung zwischen**
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55 -**Review und Outlook **
56 -
57 -**(//Connection/Linking//)**
58 -)))|(% style="width:1019px" %)Based on input from referees I think one topic is whether we should collect data to effectively represent progress|
59 -|(% style="width:1019px" %)A paper detailing how to combat the practicalities of tackling sustainability issues (in Germany)|
60 -|(% rowspan="4" style="width:268px" %)**Outlook & Concrete Recommendation for Action**|(% style="width:1019px" %)What new ansatzes (//approaches//) exist, what should we try|Achim S.
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62 -Konkrete Empfehlungen ans BMBF bzw. Projekte als einige white papers.
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64 -(//Concrete recommendations to the BMBF and projects in the form of white papers//)
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67 -Bildung von Fokusgruppen zur Umsetzung gefundener Leitlinien aus mehreren Projekten, über den Workshop hinaus. (z.B. Connect Workshop 2024)
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69 -//Formation of focus groups for the implementation of identified guidelines from multiple projects, beyond the workshop (e.g. Connect Workshop 2024)//
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72 -Prüfsteine für einen dritten Workshop, der die Umsetzung der Fokusgruppen überprüfen kann.
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74 -//Criteria for a third workshop that can assess the implementation of the focus groups.//
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79 -**Goals: **
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81 -* Last workshop was impulse, this should enable implementation by developing concrete action points.
82 -* Focus is on implementation
83 -* Do we need a paper? How can the results be optimally prepared?
84 -* At the end, concrete measures should emerge and be recorded (e.g. white paper, without publication, but with the aim of disseminating the measures widely)
85 -* Concrete assignments: Show on DPG, concrete “tasks” with responsible persons (to be reported, e.g. to Overview Board or next year in the workshop)
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88 -
89 -=== **Regarding Contents ** ===
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93 -**Topics  **
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95 -**(Up to discussion on March, 11) **
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97 -**What do we want to cover in terms of content? **
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99 -(//**Subgroups 2023:** Footprint, Dynamic Energy Supply, Hardware Lifetime, Hardware & Algorithms, Smart Data, Cultural Change, Autonomization, Inquiries & Dynamics, Algorithms & Software, Machine Models, Injected Intelligence, Workflows & Stakeholders//)
100 -)))|(% style="width:222px" %)Author / Contact (optional)
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102 -CO2 /
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104 -Footprint with regards to hardware
105 -)))|(% style="width:1011px" %)How to handle CO2-budget of the production of the hardware (+1)|(% style="width:222px" %)Achim Stahl, support by Markus Sch (may contact Öko Institut e.V.)
106 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Ethical implications of Life Cycle analysis (where machines are made - where they end up)|(% style="width:222px" %)
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108 -Operation of Data Centres /
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110 -Use of Energy
111 -)))|(% style="width:1011px" %)Sustainable operation of compute and data centres |(% style="width:222px" %)Markus Sch.
112 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)How can we integrate datacentres/experiments with their environments|(% style="width:222px" %)
113 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)What metrics are we use to decide how clean energy is/ optimal time for greenest use of energy|(% style="width:222px" %)
114 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Von Stromerzeugenden und Netzbetreibern Input bekommen, was wir eigentlich tun sollen. BnetzAgentur beiholen?|(% style="width:222px" %)(Raum1)
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116 -Sustainable Programming & Implications / User
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119 -)))|(% style="width:1011px" %)Sustainable programming is a topic frequently requested by the community. How can we drive this forward? |(% style="width:222px" %)Angela Warkentin
120 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Ethical question: if software gets more efficient by factor n will then e.g. simualtion run factor n more or will stop after initial goal reached?    |(% style="width:222px" %)Markus Schh.
121 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Wie managen mir die Wirkungen auf die Nutzenden, so dass diese mitgehen?  Wie können wir für diese Motivation schaffen?|(% style="width:222px" %)(Raum 1)
122 -|(% rowspan="4" %)Motivation & Ethics |(% style="width:1011px" %)Wie managen mir die Wirkungen auf die Nutzenden, so dass diese mitgehen?  Wie können wir für diese Motivation schaffen?|(% style="width:222px" %)
123 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Introductions to Ethics and/in Sustainability|(% style="width:222px" %)
124 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)UN sustainability points and the impact to physics|(% style="width:222px" %)
125 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Sustainability Communication: how to spread motivation among scientists |(% style="width:222px" %)
126 -|(% rowspan="5" %)Politics & Stakeholder|(% style="width:1011px" %)Mit BMBF-Leuten darüber reden, wie wir unsere Erkenntnisse umgesetzt bekommen|(% style="width:222px" %)(Raum 1)
127 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Allgemeiner: Leitlinien für konkretes Handeln mit den Stakeholdern ausarbeiten.|(% style="width:222px" %)(Raum 1)
128 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Umgang mit politischen Zwängen (“wir gehen nicht nach Polen, weil deren Strom so dreckig ist” bzw. die Zurückweisung so einer Erwägung aus politischen Gründen)? (Or: If we fund it here we also want to run it here and not in Norway, Iceland ,... )|(% style="width:222px" %)
129 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Political barriers to sustainability (local laws/regulations)|(% style="width:222px" %)
130 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)What does the BMBF expect? (Invite BMBF representative) |(% style="width:222px" %)
131 -|(% rowspan="4" %)Teaching & Science |(% style="width:1011px" %)In view of abilities of Humans versus Machines (see table below): how will ErUM science change in future|(% style="width:222px" %)Martin E.
132 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Knowledge transfer, education, what concepts will stay to be important, what will be new|(% style="width:222px" %)Judith Reindl, Martin E.
133 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Wie managen mir die Wirkungen auf die Nutzenden, so dass diese mitgehen?  Wie können wir für diese Motivation schaffen?|(% style="width:222px" %)
134 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Sustainability Communication: how to spread motivation among scientists |(% style="width:222px" %)
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138 -
139 -=== **Regarding Timetable ** ===
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141 -
142 -* What should the program consist of?
143 -* Should we open the workshop for contributions (abstracts) or only include invited talks?
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145 -**Ideas so far: **
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147 -* Talks, discussion and interactive parts
148 -** Interactive part: tutorial on sustainable programming
149 -* Inspiration talks for fostering our creativity, followed by the possibility to discuss and exchange. Results of the discussion could then be presented in short talks
150 -* Talks in the morning,** paper-writing sessions in the afternoon.**
151 -** Different sessions have different sections to work on in Overleaf
152 -** Paper writing / Results: One moderator per session, who is also responsible for detailed documentation
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156 -
157 -=== **Regarding Invitations / Speaker** ===
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160 -* ** **Find & Invite Experts from Organisations (CERN, DESY, BMBF): Anwendungsorientierte (application-oriented) Talks
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168 -)))|(% style="width:222px" %)Author / Contact (optional)
169 -|(% colspan="1" rowspan="3" %)**General **|(% style="width:1011px" %)International sustainability projects in science (WLCG, EU, …)|(% style="width:222px" %)
170 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Overview of ideas in SUSFECIT research network (proposal handed in 2024 ErumM Data call)|(% style="width:222px" %)Markus Schumacher
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172 -|(% colspan="1" rowspan="3" %)**Tracking Progress **|(% style="width:1011px" %)(((
173 -Paper presentation: "Quantifying imperfect cognition with realized information gain"
174 -)))|(% style="width:222px" %)Torsten Ensslin (Confirmed Participation)
175 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Know your footprint: status and next steps |(% style="width:222px" %)KYF authors
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178 -**CO2 /**
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180 -**Footprint with regards to hardware **
181 -)))|(% style="width:1011px" %)Full life cycle assessment of c02 footprint  (production, cooling water, disposal)  |(% style="width:222px" %)could ask Öko-Institut e.V (Markus Sch,) or Matthias Wadenstein, WLCG
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184 -**Operation of Data Centres /**
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186 -**Use of Energy**
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188 -Ecology: How computing centres fit into the local surroundings
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190 -* Re-using waste heat to provide heat for farming: vegetables
191 -* Novel power sources for datacentres, building datacentres where power is being generated
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193 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Sustainability implementation at major research  facilities e.g. CERN, DESY (e.g. Serge Claudet, Cern energy management panel)|(% style="width:222px" %)Guenter Duckeck
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196 -**Sustainable Programming & Implications / User **
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201 -|(% rowspan="4" %)**Motivation & Ethics **|(% style="width:1011px" %)(((
202 -"Warum föderierte, standardsbasierte Infrastrukturen ethische Implikationen haben, sowohl was Vermeidung von Lock-in und ständiger Obszoleszenz betrifft als auch, was gleichen Zugang für alle, von Server- wie von Clientseite aus, angeht. (Abdeckung z.B. durch Markus Demleitner im Rahmen eines 10 Min Frühstückgesprächs möglich)"
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204 -Why federated, standards-based infrastructures have ethical implications, both in terms of avoiding lock-in and constant obsolescence, as well as ensuring equal access for all, from both the server and client side. (Coverage, e.g., by Markus Demleitner in the context of a 10-minute breakfast discussion, is possible)
205 -)))|(% style="width:222px" %)Markus Demleitner
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207 -* RWTH Aachen AI Center Ethik Kommission: [[https:~~/~~/www.ai.rwth-aachen.de/cms/KI/Das-KI-Center/~~~~gglha/Team/>>url:https://www.ai.rwth-aachen.de/cms/KI/Das-KI-Center/~~gglha/Team/]] 
208 -** [[Prof. h.c. Dr. h.c. Dr. ir. Wil van der Aalst>>url:https://www.pads.rwth-aachen.de/cms/pads/der-lehrstuhl/team/professor/~~pxtb/wil-van-der-aalst/]]: Fairness und Privacy
209 -** [[Prof. Dr. Saskia Nagel>>url:https://www.ethics.rwth-aachen.de/cms/ETHICS/Das-Lehr-und-Forschungsgebiet/Team/~~fcnwz/Saskia-Nagel/]] Ethics of AI, Impact of AI on Individuals and Society
210 -** [[Prof. Dr. rer. pol. Frank Piller>>url:https://www.time.rwth-aachen.de/cms/TIME/Die-Research-Area/Technologie-und-Innovationsmanagement-/TIM-Team/Lehrstuhlinhaber/~~eebc/Piller-Frank-T/]] Social Effects and Acceptance of AI
211 -** [[Prof. Dr. rer. nat. Astrid Rosenthal-von der Pütten>>url:https://www.itec.rwth-aachen.de/cms/ITEC/Der-Lehrstuhl/Team/~~szbg/Rosenthal-von-der-Puetten-Astrid/]] Human-Agent Interaction · Human and AI Shared Decision Making · Human-Robot Interaction · Social Effects and Acceptance of AI
212 -** [[Prof. Dr. Claudia Wagner>>url:http://claudiawagner.info/]] Natural Language processing · Network Science · Computational Social Science · Fairness of AI
213 -* Benediktiner Pater Christoph Gerhard (Sustainability and ethics)
214 -* Johannes Hartel (Sustainability and ethics)
215 -* “Lesch sieht Schwartz” (zdf Harald Lesch und Pfarrer Thomas Schwartz)
216 -* Prof. Dr. Dr. Wolfgang Rhode
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218 -|(% style="width:1011px" %)Invite someone from the Deutscher Ethikrat talking about assessment of technologies in the domain of “AI++”|(% style="width:222px" %)Achim Streit, Martin Erdmann, Thomas Kuhr, Judith Reindl
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220 -|(% rowspan="2" %)**Politics & Stakeholder / Implementation **|(% style="width:1011px" %) |(% style="width:222px" %)
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